Roy Halladay Redux

It’s been a week since the big trade, one that sent several former BlueClaws (three in this deal, seven including the Cliff Lee deal from July). Obviously, Halladay is now a Phillie, as are three Seattle minor leaguers (that we find more about here).

So basically, what do we think of the trade?


  • Legitimate ace comes to Philly at basically $17 million per season (Toronto is paying $6 mil of 15 this year, then 20 per for three more)
  • While prospect hit was significant, the system is far from bare (see this excellent analysis from the folks at Phuture Phillies)
  • Roy Halladay is really good: from Phillies NationYou deserve to embrace the fact that the Phils just acquired a guy who had a 2.97 ERA in 112 innings last year against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays, three of the top six offenses in baseball during that time.
  • From Jayson Stark: So while the Phillies still have bullpen issues to address, “I like this deal a lot for the Phillies, long-term and short-term,” said an AL scout. “They got the best pitcher in the game right now. And they got a couple of guys from Seattle [Aumont and Gillies] I’m surprised they could get.”


  • They had the horses to have Halladay and Lee on the same team, but were evidently uncomfortable with the additional salary that would have been required, and are building for the long term, rather than one massive run for glory.
  • If Halladay is great, how much better will he be than Lee?
  • Dave Murphy tweeted the following yesterday after the Javier Vazquez deal went down: Could set up an epic World Series pitching match-up: Sabathia-Vazquez-Burnett against Halladay-Lee-Hamels. . . .Wait, the Phils did what??

To us, Halladay is still better than Lee. He is a Hall of Famer. Lee has a lot of work to do there. You make the swap there without a problem. And even though you trade away some guys you don’t want to trade, the difference between Halladay for four years and Lee for one is some valuable prospects, and that’s how it worked out for the Phillies. We’re all operating under the assumption that having both together wasn’t an option, and signing Lee long term was not an option. So what’s the next best scenario? I think this is pretty darn good.


4 Responses to “Roy Halladay Redux”

  1. Will Collins Says:

    I would have liked Lee and Halladay together for 2010. From what I understand the Phils would have gotten two draft picks (prospects) if Lee went to free agency after this season anyway. Lee’s 2010 salary was not a bank breaker.
    We would have been dominant. Oh well. Love getting Halladay. Hate losing Lee.

  2. Greg Says:

    Will, you’re right on the prospects. They would have received two first-round picks in the 2011 draft had Lee left after the 2010 season.

    Thanks for the comment.


  3. Ed K. Says:

    I agree with Will Collins comments. I would be real concerned about giving up so many prospects except that I see so many good players still in the system. I’m convinced the Phillies have one of the best farm systems in the majors, and that includes managers and coaches as well.

  4. Jim Kurack Says:

    No… because basically they traded away 7 prospects, 3 being future star quality pitchers, who will probably win more games this year, for 1 aging pitcher. Are there any future YOUNG prospects left in the Philly Farm System? It looks as though we are the minor league system for all the majors.

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